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Armin
High Priest of Athlon
posted March 01, 2000 07:34     Click Here to See the Profile for Armin     Edit/Delete Message
Name them

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Slapyo
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posted March 01, 2000 10:17     Click Here to See the Profile for Slapyo     Edit/Delete Message
World Food Programme

http://www.wfp.org/
http://www.wfp.org/support/support.htm

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Save The Children

http://www.savethechildren.org/
https://www711.vwh1.net/savet3/forms/donation.html

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Yahoo! List of Charity Organizations

http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Cultures_and_Groups/Children/Organizations/Relief_Organizations/

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Donnie (Slapyo)
Don's Web Site -- check it out everyone

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Matze
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posted March 01, 2000 12:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Matze     Edit/Delete Message
I think it would be cool if we could sponsor "The Hunger Site" for one day (or more).

If this is too expensive, I think we should give the money to Greenpeace.

[This message has been edited by Matze (edited March 01, 2000).]

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Other, Esq.
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posted March 01, 2000 12:55     Click Here to See the Profile for Other, Esq.     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.gunowners.com/index.html

Gun Owners of America Foundation

These guys work hard to preserve our
Second Amendment Rights.

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adam04
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posted March 01, 2000 19:30     Click Here to See the Profile for adam04     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Other,Esq,

In case you hadn't noticed, there are many non Americans working on Gamma Flux and we don't all share your obession with guns.

RE: 6 yr ols shooting other six year olds in Michigan? Need I say more?

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Chipster22
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posted March 01, 2000 20:42     Click Here to See the Profile for Chipster22     Edit/Delete Message
How about the Red Cross.
http://www.ifrc.org /

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Slapyo
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posted March 01, 2000 21:14     Click Here to See the Profile for Slapyo     Edit/Delete Message
Matze,

The World Food Programme that I metioned above is what The Hunger Site pays. The Hunger Site has companies give them money per click and they donate that money to the WFP. Heh, that is where I got the WFP link from, is the Hunger Site website.

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Don's Web Site -- check it out everyone

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Matze
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posted March 02, 2000 02:56     Click Here to See the Profile for Matze     Edit/Delete Message
Donnie,
you´re right, but sponsoring The Hunger Site would mean both promotion for DCypher (on The Hunger site) and for The Hunger Site (on the DCypher Homepage). We won´t have this effect if we give the money directly to WFP, but the money that goes to the WFP would be the same (I think).

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Arete
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posted March 02, 2000 13:19     Click Here to See the Profile for Arete     Edit/Delete Message
I think that the Dcypher guys should cash the check and carry the money directly to the local food bank (wherever they are). I doubt that the amount is going to be more than a couple hundred dollars (but maybe I'm wrong ) and I think that a local food bank would be able to do a lot more with that money than a huge organization.

My two cents.

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Postmand_Per
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posted March 02, 2000 16:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Postmand_Per     Edit/Delete Message
I think WFP should have the money.

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Postmand_Per
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posted March 02, 2000 16:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Postmand_Per     Edit/Delete Message
I think WFP should have the money.

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Armin
High Priest of Athlon
posted March 03, 2000 05:37     Click Here to See the Profile for Armin     Edit/Delete Message
Well guys, if we want the charity money to be "a couple hundred dollars" there have to be significantly more visits to the site and stats (including more click-throughs).

So far the advertising income is not even close to covering costs, we just decided that it is more important to give something back to the contributors to keep going :/

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Other, Esq.
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posted March 03, 2000 08:33     Click Here to See the Profile for Other, Esq.     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Adam04,

I replied to the topic at hand. Your
response is off-topic.

Need I say more?

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adam04
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posted March 03, 2000 14:45     Click Here to See the Profile for adam04     Edit/Delete Message
Other, esq

It was not off topic. I would hate any money generated by even my small efforts to go to the "charity" you nominated. Armin asked for the our views as to where the money should go. Not wanting the money to go to a particular organisation is just as valid. What would your thoughts be if I wanted the KKK or Islamic terrorists to get the loot?


Like most people who have contributed to this thread I would have no objection to the WFP getting the money. If any went to exclusivly American charities or to any that I fundamentally disagree with then I would withdraw my participation from this effort.

On another point (on or off topic!!)it would seem that only a few "regulars" ever contribute to this forum and this is particularly true for this topic. There are now over a thousand members and each is entitled to their views. How can we be sure that the majority of the contributers will agree with the final choice? Mass email perhaps? As the disagreement between Other, Esq and myself has shown this could end up losing Dcypher.net valuable support.
Adam


PS I would not object if the money was split between the people who set up and run Dcypher.net.

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Guru
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posted March 03, 2000 16:50     Click Here to See the Profile for Guru     Edit/Delete Message
Gamma flux and Chernobyl.

http://www.recorder.ca/cac/

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spoonish
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posted March 03, 2000 19:50     Click Here to See the Profile for spoonish     Edit/Delete Message
amnesty international

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Shoe Lace
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posted March 05, 2000 17:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Shoe Lace     Edit/Delete Message
I think WFP should have the money.

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Arcane
Follower of Athlon
posted March 05, 2000 19:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Arcane     Edit/Delete Message
Amnesty International

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Armin
High Priest of Athlon
posted March 19, 2000 12:38     Click Here to See the Profile for Armin     Edit/Delete Message
The vote is on at http://dcypher.net/whatsnew.shtml

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adam04
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posted April 01, 2000 04:26     Click Here to See the Profile for adam04     Edit/Delete Message
Yo Armin,

I note that the poll on the charity of choice indicates that the Gun Owners of America is marginally ahead. If this charity does gain the most support, will you make the donation to it? I thought you wanted to give the cash to international charities to reflect the worldwide membership of GF.

BTW do you have statistics on the nationality of participants? If GF is dominated by US citizens then perhaps it will be acceptable to donate to a US charity, but I know that there is a large European membership as well as Australian participants who may well object. (although I seem to be the only one who is concerned!!)

Adam

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Imitation
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posted April 01, 2000 10:34     Click Here to See the Profile for Imitation     Edit/Delete Message
No, you're no the only one man. I'm an Aussie and the fact that it's 1) not a charity and 2) american just puts me off giving them the money.

I do agree with you that if the majority of participants are from USA then let the Guns Owners get the money. But this isn't just for those of you in the US. No offense to you dudes way over there but I think Red Cross actually does something to help people - unlike Gun Owners which i guess is there to protect your rights and make's sure you people are allowed to bring guns to school and stuff heh.. nah but well it doesn't really do anything. Seeing as though this is an international thing I think it should at least be going to some large well known international organization. Hmm... whatever.

While we're on that subject. Anyone who's seen those ads on TV about Australian's being forced to live in fear since we aren't allowed to carry automatic weapons and all that cool kind of shit... it is complete and utter garbage. That was one of your wicked arse gun organizations... cool huh? So... we are not getting broken into and getting threatened and stuff.... hah... yeh. ok. It's more likely that I'll get jabbed by some guy with a syringe full of blood at a petrol station or something. Wait I don't own a car.. wait, I don't even have a license (yet, just 1 month ). hehe.

- Matt

A smoke is a smoke
A cone is a cone
A bitch aint a bitch
Till u make her moan

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Postmand_Per
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posted April 01, 2000 12:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Postmand_Per     Edit/Delete Message
Well said Imitation. Guns sucks IMHO.

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MikeHen
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posted April 02, 2000 14:23     Click Here to See the Profile for MikeHen     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with the suggestion of sponsering The Hunger Site, even if it's only for one day. The Dcypher site will get so much exposure that it could double it's membership overnight - just what's needed.

It's my experience that when 'odd' sponsers appear on Hunger Site, people really do click through! And that's >200,000 potentials per day!

So how many people have really thought it through and voted Hunger Site - 7 = 3%. And how many crazy people need to have their rights to own guns defended - 82 (32%). If any gun based charity(?) wins, I for one shall move back to Prime or dnet. Is everyone voting for this as a joke? Here in the UK where gun crimes are so rare that just about every instance makes the news, I think you'd have a hard job getting 82 people in the whole Country to vote this way!!!

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Ken_g6
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posted April 03, 2000 12:36     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken_g6     Edit/Delete Message
Gun Owners of America?!

Edit: Suffice it to say that I do not believe guns are a charitable cause.

I wanted to vote for Canadian Aid for Chernobyl, but I voted for the Red Cross just to compete with Gun Owners of America.

And finally, has anyone other than Other, Esq. heard of Gun Owners of America before? How do we know they're legit?

Ken

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Armin
High Priest of Athlon
posted April 03, 2000 04:23     Click Here to See the Profile for Armin     Edit/Delete Message
Ken,

As I said prior to opening the nominations, I'll put all nominees up for vote. This is whether I like them or not, I will not exercise censorship of the election process.

There's a really simple way to push your favourite charity: recruit more friends of yours to do Gamma Flux and have them vote for your favourite

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Maciek
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posted April 03, 2000 04:26     Click Here to See the Profile for Maciek     Edit/Delete Message
Just remember it's international project, guys. People in Poland (probably in other countries, too) just do not want to support such charities. We'd like to support Red Cross or any other organisation that gives people all over the world hope for better, peaceful and healthy live.

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Maciek
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posted April 03, 2000 04:35     Click Here to See the Profile for Maciek     Edit/Delete Message
Armin,

Do you have a possibility to check who votes for this charity??? I doub't it as you use some kind of public voting company (vote.pollit.com) instead of making something yours only.
What more, the same IP can vote twice here (???) just using different web browsers...
That's why I think you cannot believe this poll.

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Wojtek
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posted April 03, 2000 04:43     Click Here to See the Profile for Wojtek     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with Maciek. Personally I have been voting for "Doctors w/o borders" - but red Cross is also a good choice. BTW I have noticed that only 262 persons has taken their vote while according to stats there are 1300 GF participiants and over 4000 generally. So let us make a rumour in our group to vote on a international interest.

Have You noticed that "Guns..." wins only by two points over "Red Cross" ??? Everything can change in future...

Greetings, W.

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Matze
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posted April 05, 2000 05:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Matze     Edit/Delete Message
Most users with dial-up connections use dynamic ip-addresses, so with (nearly) every online-session you´re able to vote. Additionally I have the impression that even users with only one browser and a static ip-address are able to vote once per day (I tried it at work). I think that´s the way the gun owners got so many votes. I would have loved to vote for the Hungersite, but Red Cross was the only organization who was able to compete with the gun owners so I voted for them. Perhaps we find a better way to choose the charity next time...

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Armin
High Priest of Athlon
posted April 05, 2000 08:35     Click Here to See the Profile for Armin     Edit/Delete Message
The poll works with both IP and cookie blocking, means that it sets a cookie and bans the ip from voting again.

That's the highest level of security that can be accomplished without tying the poll into the user database which, at this point, isn't feasible simply because we don't have the time to code it.

We may be able to do it for the next vote in 3 months, though, when we expect a much higher voter turnout and hopefully donation. Mind you we are talking about 10% of income that is just barely sufficient to pay the prize money (with site costs and work hour we are writing thick red ink).

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Matze
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posted May 04, 2000 04:45     Click Here to See the Profile for Matze     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, maybe it´s too early, but I´ve got candidate #1 for the next vote http://www.therainforestsite.com /

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Ken_g6
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posted May 05, 2000 03:58     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken_g6     Edit/Delete Message
While this thread is at the top, I need to apologise to Armin for my tone in my previous post. While I still believe what I did then, I should not have blamed you the way I did, and I'm sorry.

Ken

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krs
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posted May 06, 2000 13:07     Click Here to See the Profile for krs     Edit/Delete Message
My favorite charities:
http://www.trickleup.org http://www.longnow.org

For another approach to charitable giving see
http://www.charitymall.com

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Arcane
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posted May 08, 2000 09:37     Click Here to See the Profile for Arcane     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with the other posts that Gun Owners of America should not even be considered a charity because it really is not a charity, it's a political organization.

Also, something really does need to be done about the polling system. I didn't cheat, but it would have been extremely easy for me to do so since I could keep disconnecting and reconnecting, my domain switches so often you would have to ban all of *.att.net to stop me.

The only way I could see to actually have a secure system is to poll people by e-mail address and weight their votes according to how many WUs they have submitted in the past 30 days (or whatever time period). Obviously this is not a democratic poll but the reason I think this is a good idea is because this prevents people from altering the vote by creating a large number of accounts that do one WU per day (similar to the way the current prize system allows for abuse :P).

[This message has been edited by Arcane (edited May 08, 2000).]

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