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| Author | Topic: Client V2 |
| daviddth Follower of Athlon |
 posted September 23, 1999 21:27  
Just posted on the Yahoo message board available via http://www.setiweb.org ----------- Good Morning Marc: I can tell you what we are working on for the next version a. security for returned results to prevent cheating/vandals I'd expect to see this in a month or two. We are not working --Hiram IP: Logged |
| Akma Follower of Athlon |
posted September 24, 1999 19:25
Doubled processing time and no optimizations? Hmm... :/ IP: Logged |
| MeenMunky Follower of Athlon |
posted September 24, 1999 19:29
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.................... Ahhhh...... I needed a good laugh today 
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| daviddth Follower of Athlon |
posted September 25, 1999 12:18
Akma, >Doubled processing time and no optimizations? Hmm... :/ Yeah, I can hardly wait :-( David IP: Logged |
| Pieter Follower of Athlon |
posted September 25, 1999 02:14
i guess they are only busy now to scare allot of current users away, wich in doubling the cpu time will prolly work like a charm. Should we all now jump the team ? ------------------ Pieter :*) IP: Logged |
| LRMS Follower of Athlon |
posted September 25, 1999 12:18
I emailed SETI suggesting using the FFTW library (wich runs almost optimally on many different architectures / CPUs) and compiling a version with CodeWarrior for 3DNow! enabled CPUs, but they didn't replied, so I don't know if they really read my email... I don't care too much if they add more complex analysis, as long as they do it trying to keep it optimized for each CPU, even if this implies in only using a different compiler, and not writing (hand) optimized code. If they don't do that on the next client maybe they just want to drop supporters, maybe they simply didn't want/need too many people. Then maybe they could put that on their site: "Please don't join, we don't need your CPU..." IP: Logged |
| Sqiz Follower of Athlon |
posted September 26, 1999 05:06
After all the effort they have put into encouraging teams and competitiveness, do they really expect users to voluntarily change over to a slower client ?? I think not. Unless they have some mechanism in place which will cause the old clients to stop working they are going to find that many users will try the V2.0 client but as soon as its novelty value wears off they will return to the faster clients. IP: Logged |
| Pieter Follower of Athlon |
posted September 26, 1999 05:58
Seti is beyond Logic at some points , maybe u have noticed. IP: Logged |
| Jayden Follower of Athlon |
posted October 01, 1999 23:39
If they are adding more calculations, maybe we won't have a choice but to upgrade. I suspect that they aren't finding anything so they want to dig deeper. I'll go even farther and guess that they will recirculate ALL of the blocks we have allready done to search those also, or at least the blocks they thought were interesting anyway. I think the hacked version is LONG overdue. Whatever happened to that? IP: Logged |
| Pieter Follower of Athlon |
posted October 02, 1999 15:01
i never heard about a hack. ------------------ Pieter :*) IP: Logged |
| Jayden Follower of Athlon |
posted October 03, 1999 12:34
<takes nudge to ribs> Oh....yeah, I never heard of that either. IP: Logged |
| Voriax Follower of Athlon |
posted December 15, 1999 18:39
Decided to wake this old topic up
So there will be 2.0 version early next year..but I guess no 3DNow optimization? Voriax IP: Logged |
| Imitation Follower of Athlon |
posted December 15, 1999 23:58
Well umm... some anonymous person could umm... well.... somehow... accidentally.... modify... the code.... and... I... might accidentally use it....
Big hint :/ IP: Logged |
| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted December 16, 1999 03:37
i would use it also.
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| Armin High Priest of Athlon |
posted December 16, 1999 07:39
I won't recommend doing or using a hack. SETI does deserve that their data integrity be maintained, even though I feel that they don't deserve anyone's computing time. This, of course may be biased since I know what cool distributed computing projects are coming up at DCypher that all will need lots and lots of computing power IP: Logged |
| Imitation Follower of Athlon |
posted December 16, 1999 09:31
As always Armin.
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| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 01, 2000 10:49
looking forward to the new client. wont need to babysit as much. IP: Logged |
| Pieter Follower of Athlon |
posted January 01, 2000 20:52
yes thats it isnt it double the time will kill allot of seti users maybe if we stick to it we can gain momentum, like we did before from #45 to #44 :-) ------------------ Pieter :*) IP: Logged |
| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 02, 2000 02:38
we sure can. we got enough members, we could really kick butt any time we decided. :-) IP: Logged |
| wl6538 Wish I had an Athlon |
posted January 19, 2000 14:41
I'm wondering if they can't use 3Dnow! because their maths is done using double float...? Well the Athlon owners don't really care but my K6 takes ages to complete a wu and some form of 3Dnow! in the code will be good. IP: Logged |
| NormanK Follower of Athlon |
posted January 20, 2000 07:53
just good news... the first V2.0s are ready for d/l!!! at the moment only unix etc, but...
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| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 12:01
heres a interesting article http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_613000/613444.stm IP: Logged |
| Pieter Follower of Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 01:18
what is that Standard Intel instructions, there is nothing standard about them they are Intel's. ------------------ Pieter :*) IP: Logged |
| daviddth Follower of Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 05:21
Ok, we have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting. Guess what? It's out! Version 2 of S@h has been placed on the FTP server at S@h, but the web page has yet to be updated. If you HAVE to have V2, it's at ftp://alien.ssl.berkeley.edu/pub/setiathome_win_2_0.exe This is not a beta, but a complete copy as far as I can tell - I'm trying it now. David IP: Logged |
| Pieter Follower of Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 05:41
its 686 only also, suggesting in the readme that the older clients will stop working soon. ------------------ Pieter :*) IP: Logged |
| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 12:25
daviddth, whats the results your getting on ver.2? i put it on my celeron 541, it normally runs about 9.0 to 9.1 % an hr, and right now it has 30% done in 3hrs and 6 minutes. thats a improvement, unless its just one of those flaky units. [This message has been edited by fredro (edited January 22, 2000).] IP: Logged |
| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 14:21
update: 55% 5hrs 22 minutes. as soon as my amd k6-2 machine finishes a units in about 4 hours, i will install the ver. 2 client on it also. word of warning, if you are going to install ver 2, wait until your unit completes, or you will start the unit all over again and lose your finished work. (i learned the hard way) : ) IP: Logged |
| CASC member Follower of Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 15:51
Ok fredro I got version2 on my killer K62-350@400 and as soon as i get off this internet i'll fire it up and see if it gains me any extra speed. I'll let ya know how it goes. Great work everyone, were cooking now John IP: Logged |
| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 15:55
yeh, keep us informed casc. it looks as if setiwatch will need a patch, i cant get it to pick up the new client for some reason. any ideas anyone? IP: Logged |
| msantos Wish I had an Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 18:00
Well, it looks like ... it is that time for me to determine whether the Seti thing is worth my Electricity Bill and the slow silicon transmigration that these units are going through. 
Maybe, If I just give all these machines a break I'll slowly come to my senses and realize that it ain't worth it (it could happen you know!). Anyway, for as much as I believe in DComputing, I feel like Seti is very single minded and Sponsor driven entity with no commitment to the people that helped them build the image throughtout all this time. Typical, secular institutional mindset. Double the times=Make it more inneficient so wu flow will help keep pace with generated data. I'll keep a more personal opinion of Seti for myself for now. In the meatime, I may just quit altogether. Man, I feel stupid. MS IP: Logged |
| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 18:12
maybe if seti digs deeper into the units (less efficient) maybe we will actually get what counts. a little voice from way off in the distance. hang in there ms, your a inspiration to the rest of us.
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| daviddth Follower of Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 18:13
On V2, my 2-400 has completed 71% in 12h 22 min. That's rougly on par with an ordinary WU using the CLI version. One thing I really dont like is the removal of the highest peak & guassian display - I often used to watch it... I'll complete this WU, but wont use V2 until they put out a CLI version of it... Oh and V2 wont run on 2 of the PC's I tried last night at work! NT 4 and the screen saver keep crashing after exactly 15 minutes of running - each time, it's 15 minutes, so I'm madly crunching WU's and copying them to floppy from 1.3 - I'll upload them over the next few days. David IP: Logged |
| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 18:30
ok my cel 541 just finished the unit in record time. (for my machine) 9hrs and 43 minutes, the record was 9hrs 56min once, but it averages 11:15 minutes most of the time. more on the other machines later. IP: Logged |
| NormanK Follower of Athlon |
posted January 22, 2000 20:39
oh well... it's nice... but no add-on's won't run no more...  ((((((((I tried to patch SetiSpy, but it's packed, so I'll go to bed now... but I patched StarMap... so if anybody uses this... mail me: mailto: normank@cheerful.com [This message has been edited by fredro (edited January 23, 2000).] IP: Logged |
| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 23, 2000 12:20
i tried to make your email address a link, but was unsuccessfull.
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| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 23, 2000 02:11
ok heres the link for setiwatch, for version 2.0 i just found it, havent tried it yet though! http://members.home.net/mloukko/SETIWatch.html IP: Logged |
| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 23, 2000 13:16
im having great luck with ver 2.0 celeron 433@541 normal 11hr15min, last 3 units... 9hr43m...,9hr34min....,and the last unit 8hr58min celeron433@433 normal 12hr, first unit came off in 10hr21min, second unit9hr55min, celeron366@550(on via chipset) normal is 15hr15min...first unit took 12hr09min, my amd 450@448 (online all the time with a winmodem) normal 18hrs, according to setiwatch it will come off in 16hr 14min, i am still waiting on my slower machines to finish the units before i install 2.0 on them. IP: Logged |
| CASC member Follower of Athlon |
posted January 23, 2000 14:02
V2 is faster, my last unit was done in 16h30min for a machine that avg's 18.5hrs per unit and my record was 17hrs12min . V2 doesn't give up much stats when its done, just your total time. I'm dwnloading the new setiwatch right now. Ok, the new setiwatch works also, go and get it. Maybe they did optimize it a little bit . John IP: Logged |
| Franklin A. Childers Follower of Athlon |
posted January 23, 2000 15:09
Looks like my older machines dx4-100 and k5-133 oc 160 will benifit from ver 2 the most, knocked off approx. 5 hours. My k6-450 just finished a unit in 22 hours ( It's the server and is running other stuff that I do not want to shut down. ) , shaved 3 hours off the norm. - Frank IP: Logged |
| daviddth Follower of Athlon |
posted January 23, 2000 16:42
Hmmm, the new SetiWatch works great with V2, but has no backward compatibility with my 7 other V1.X S@H's on the network - ARGH!!! David IP: Logged |
| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 23, 2000 17:04
you should be able to use both, just keep them in separate directories. IP: Logged |
| DanBall Follower of Athlon |
posted January 23, 2000 22:35
I won't install v2.0 SETI@home until there is a version SETISpy and SETIMonitor that is compatible with v.2 IP: Logged |
| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 24, 2000 11:46
my pentium 133@150 went from 40hr to 35hr with ver. 2.0 IP: Logged |
| NormanK Follower of Athlon |
posted January 24, 2000 14:37
Here's a link to a BETA version of SetiSpy (beware, you *must* close it before S@h can get a new unit after completition!!): http://pages.tca.net/roelof/setispy/Beta/SetiSpy2b.exe IP: Logged |
| NormanK Follower of Athlon |
posted January 24, 2000 17:23
Ok, the problem is now fixed... :-)))) IP: Logged |
| fredro Priest of Athlon |
posted January 24, 2000 23:18
thanks normank IP: Logged |
| daviddth Follower of Athlon |
posted January 25, 2000 01:27
SetiWatch has also been updated to support 2.0 as well. http://members.home.net/mloukko/SETI.html David IP: Logged |
| Kryo-900 Follower of Athlon |
posted January 25, 2000 17:57
with new ver 2 i only gained 5-10 min perWU.. comon guys cant you help me out with ver 3 and take maybe 2 hours or more off my time??? 7hours 50 some odd min takes forever....lol James IP: Logged |
| CASC member Follower of Athlon |
posted January 25, 2000 19:19
7h50m, holy cheese batman . I'm avg 17.5hrs per unit and thats as tweaked as its gonna get for a 6-2 350 . I gotta get me a Athlon, then i can join the cryn club at 7h50m per unit times...lol. Hey look, theres some more jumpers to play with on my mobo, gotta go now . giver dudes John IP: Logged |
| Jayden Follower of Athlon |
posted January 25, 2000 21:27
Althons are great, but if you want fast WU times...ALPHA is the only way to go. I was checking the stats at the seti web site a few days ago. Some of the ALPHA guys are getting 1.5ish a WU. That's pure brute processing power. Now if I only had 10K to go buy one. IP: Logged |
| DanBall Follower of Athlon |
posted January 26, 2000 02:01
S@H v. 2.0 is slightly faster that the older 1.06, by about 40 minutes from my previous fastest work unit. Previous record was 16:20:15, the new record is 15:21:26. My Computer SOYO 5ema+ Mobo, max 768 MB Ram AMD K6-2 500 MHz 128 MB RAM, one PC 66 32 MB Module, one PC 100 32 MB Module, one PC 100 64 MB Module 17.2 GB Western Digital HD, 5400 RPM, UDMA 66.6, running at UDMA 33.3 LS-120 Imation 3.5" Floppy drive Digicom DI5560 ISA v90/56K Modem current 24X CD-ROM; *pending* 40X CD-ROM current 14" 10 year old monitor; *pending* 17" monitor current SiS 6326 AGP 2x video card capable of 1600x1200; *pending* Creative Labs 3D Blaster Annihilator. -------------------------------------------- Plus I am cacheing two memory block locations of my RAM(128MB of RAM), plus the 1MB L2 cache on my motherboard. My Motherboard can cache up to 256MB of RAM (out of a total of 768MB RAM)
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| Pieter Follower of Athlon |
posted January 26, 2000 07:35
i heard that JMT over at http://www.3dpower.net has his Athlon 650 doing 2.5 hours per wu, but he isnt that happy with running seti ive asked him couple of times. Maybe he can explain how to ? ------------------ Pieter :*) IP: Logged |
| Kryo-900 Follower of Athlon |
posted January 26, 2000 18:50
2.5 hours????? gimme a break... and on a sys a hell of alot slower than mine..... ill beleive it when i see it.... maybe ill try and talk my wife into letting me buy an alpha just for seti running.... yeah right.... i can dream though cant i??? LOL IP: Logged |
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