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fredro Follower of Athlon	posted October 18, 1999 16:24 just taking out the negative comments here. [This message has been edited by fredro (edited November 10, 1999).] IP: Logged
daviddth Follower of Athlon	posted October 18, 1999 20:19 Maybe it's that some people only upload a few each couple of days - I uploaded 6 in one go, but none for 3 days prior, owing to connection problems - I was down to my last WU on my k6-2, and starting to worry :-) David IP: Logged
Pieter Follower of Athlon	posted October 18, 1999 21:28 the thing is that no one has an output of 1 a day, and maybe 80 are active ? So u cant expect a daily number that holds up, look for maybe a 3 day period. Regards, Pieter IP: Logged
Akma Follower of Athlon	posted October 19, 1999 06:47 I do units very occasionally at the moment. I think the average is near my first unit, which took 1 week to crunch. IP: Logged
daviddth Follower of Athlon	posted October 19, 1999 18:03 >the thing is that no one has an output of 1 a day Sorry, I dont understand you here. I have an output of 1.5 WU's a day, but just dont always get online to upload them. David IP: Logged
CASC member Follower of Athlon	posted October 20, 1999 11:45 Warp factor 1 I have only 1 computer and can usually do 1 per day but right now my power supply fan is about to give up its cookies, once this is fixed i'll get them out a little quicker. cya J IP: Logged
Armin High Priest of Athlon	posted October 21, 1999 16:46 Did we lose a major contributor or did the Amiga team just surge ahead 300 units?? IP: Logged
fredro Follower of Athlon	posted October 21, 1999 17:18 mizusashi left the team. he had 247 units. and for the past few days our team hasnt even got 100 units out. IP: Logged
thewarbird Celeron Worshipper	posted October 21, 1999 18:07 I was under the impression that if you change teams in seti your units will stay behind in the old teams total and any new units will be credited to the new team. I would be willing to shift my 370+ units to team 3dnow if someone would be kind enough to show me the trick to bring my units with me. Thanks IP: Logged
Osiris Priest of Athlon	posted October 22, 1999 01:35 Just join the team, seti's stats are a bit stupid.. they will automatically follow you. Steve IP: Logged
thewarbird Celeron Worshipper	posted October 22, 1999 10:09 Done. I just donated 379 units. Running a k63/450@472 and a cough p2/333 (office machine, cant help it) both 24/7 and they pop off units about every 14 hours. Hoping to add an athlon @ 650 just after the first of the year. IP: Logged
fredro Follower of Athlon	posted October 22, 1999 15:20 welcome aboard warbird IP: Logged
CASC member Follower of Athlon	posted October 22, 1999 22:44 Hey thewarbird, glad to see your aboard, even with it kickn me down one notch in the standings i can take it . Were gonna hit 20,000 units by tomorrow i figure, damn good work. Laterz J IP: Logged
Hotdogmow Celeron Worshipper	posted October 22, 1999 23:08 Let's face it... we're not really getting anywhere as a team. We only have a handful of truly productive members. I suggest that we join a team like Team Amiga - they seem to be more organised and have a better attitude. At least that way we could get into the top 20 (even if we merge names or something) and get a higher profile for 3DNow issues. Anyone with me on this? IP: Logged
Andrew Celeron Worshipper	posted October 22, 1999 23:34 We are very close with Team #Amiga! and it is frustrating sometimes.. (I used to have an amiga.. they were the days..) I just added 5 more machines to the drive, but it seems we always lose to them. Why dont we merge? i dont want to be in a losing team. IP: Logged
Pieter Follower of Athlon	posted October 22, 1999 23:39 team amiga has no meaning for me, i only produce seti numbers to advance the 3DNow! cause. i wish we got a few people who would like to teamup with us, for the cause. Maybe some lunatic(s) with X numbers of servers that he uses for seti :-) . Maybe we should find those 13 unix admins in the chicago area and threaten them to join us . Regards, Pieter IP: Logged
MeenMunky Follower of Athlon	posted October 22, 1999 23:41 Gosh you Celeron worshippers, is Team 3DNow! not good enough for you guys! IP: Logged
Hotdogmow Celeron Worshipper	posted October 22, 1999 23:42 Clearly not good enough for us. We have 3 times the number of members as Team Amiga, yet we are behind them almost all the time. So much for "crushing" them. We're looking pretty stupid I think. IP: Logged
Andrew Celeron Worshipper	posted October 23, 1999 12:04 Wow. People are there reading. Hello! :-) Well why dont we merge then? We will always be in 44th position the way we are going. IP: Logged
IronWolve Celeron Worshipper	posted October 23, 1999 12:07 My stack of u2,u10,and e4ks work for #Team Amiga. 7th place. -IronWolve- AT&T servers put to a good cause. IP: Logged
Hotdogmow Celeron Worshipper	posted October 23, 1999 12:11 Oh great - now we even have their users taunting us. I'm going to switch to them. They even have live stats online. So much for the gay t-shirts... IP: Logged
thr33d Celeron Worshipper	posted October 23, 1999 12:12 My thinking is that we'll never get anywhere close to Team Amiga! - if you go to their home page they have 2 folks processing over 50 units in 7 days. I'd bet some of them have 3d now stuff, Amiga's didn't use Intel chips. IP: Logged
IronWolve Celeron Worshipper	posted October 23, 1999 12:20 Wasnt bragging, just love my amiga... Thou now its running WinUAE. Just showing my Amiga support. -IronWolve- IP: Logged
GetPaid2Surf.net Celeron Worshipper	posted October 23, 1999 12:26 I read on the Seti site that when you change groups that your WU's stay with the old group. Is that true or not? I'd like to join this one if my WU's all follow me. Otherwise I'm just gonna stay put. ; ) I'm averaging about 5 units a day. I'm an IS guy at work and can put this on my users boxes and well....i just found the command line version and know how to make a service out of it : ) IP: Logged
GetPaid2Surf.net Celeron Worshipper	posted October 23, 1999 12:29 By the way, I HATE Celeron!!!! IP: Logged
Osiris Priest of Athlon	posted October 23, 1999 12:46 Guys, I could do about 100+ units a day of seti if I wanted to, but seti is too unreliable and is therefore too much of a maintenance issue compared to rc5. Steve IP: Logged
Hotdogmow Celeron Worshipper	posted October 23, 1999 01:01 I have no problems connecting to SETI servers most times. they have had a few problems recently, but for the most part it's been fine. IP: Logged
fredro Follower of Athlon	posted October 23, 1999 02:14 hang in there guys. i just built another machine tonight, i havent had a chance to overclock it yet, but it just might produce 2 units a day, i also got 3 more online. lets give it everything we got for a week to see what this team can really do. getpaidtosurfthenet, yes your units will follow you, hope to see you on the team. good luck guys! IP: Logged
Hotdogmow Celeron Worshipper	posted October 23, 1999 02:34 Not one to be the prophet of doom, but with over 300 odd members you'd think we'd have got somethwere by now. I've switched now, not that my units added up to much anyway. I'll have access to 30 odd machines in a couple of weeks. I'd rather put them to good use for a team with a bit more class like Team Amiga. IP: Logged
fredro Follower of Athlon	posted October 23, 1999 04:14 welcome hotdogmow, greetings from ohio IP: Logged
thewarbird Celeron Worshipper	posted October 23, 1999 08:49 Osiris, I was irritated with the command line version closing all the time when it tried to connect to the servers, setispy has a keep-alive that will restart seti if it detects it's not running, works like a charm! http://pages.tca.net/roelof/setispy / All this team merging talk bothers me :-/ I'm almost to the point of going back to rc5 because I cant find a seti team that's dedicated to picking someone off... Give it time! IP: Logged
Pierce Follower of Athlon	posted October 23, 1999 09:56 There may be 300+ members, but how many do you think are still actively producing units? We have 75 members over in RC5 and I can tell only about half are actually producing. IP: Logged
Akma Follower of Athlon	posted October 23, 1999 10:05 Aaargh. Take it easy, please! Somebody was complaining people not posting to these forums. All you have to do is to sleep overnight and voilą! there are 20 new posts in one single thread! And you don't call that posting? Now let's read the lot... Hotdogmow, Amiga & 3DNow!??? How could you even mention the two in the same context? The success of team Amiga shows that Amiga is not just a machine, it's a way of life. It's something PC users can never be (the French resistance in Allo, Allo). LOL IP: Logged
CASC member Follower of Athlon	posted October 23, 1999 12:07 If everyone does there best when they can then we will move up the standings at a steady pace, like said above i am here to support 3DNow, not Amiga. I think the competiton is great and the fact that team Amiga has even come here means that we have them worried. Were not gonna save the world or anything if we take 43rd or 40th place. I am in Canada, if i needed to be with a top team i could just join Team Canada and be in the top 10 but this is workn for me. I think some credit should go to all the 3DNow team leaders and site organizers for all the work they put forth to keep everything up and running and all the team members who are helping the cause . I wish i had a few servers to but u don't see me crying in my soup. Keep up the good work everyone J IP: Logged
Osiris Priest of Athlon	posted October 23, 1999 12:08 Couple things: I've been watching team amiga's numbers very closely and I belive they are eploiting yet another hole in the set stats system (yes they are cheating.. <gasp> ).. Secondly, therawbird: I cannot install seti spy as a service on these machines. And as a sys admin I prefer NOT to have a shit load of windows on a screen that a user can screw with. Other big problems with teh seti client: (a) requires disk access, rc5 client can be told not to use the disk (b) memeory footprint is huge.. 16+MB. Rc5 is 1.8ish (c) seti refuses to be truly nice For these reasons I just CAN'T run seti on all the machines I have access. It runs on my machines (a dual pii-400, a celeron 375, a k6-2 333, and an pa-risc 8200). But I can't in good faith run it on the machines of others. Steve IP: Logged
MaXimaN Celeron Worshipper	posted October 23, 1999 20:05 Hi guys - just checking out the competition. ;-) I was amused to read your comments that our team (Team #Amiga!) is cheating. If you look at our member speeds (listed on our web site) you will see two of our users are posting between 60 and 100 units every 24 hours. bANGo is using about 20-odd PIIs, and our Team #Amiga! generic account has about 40 R10K/R12K processors working on it this weekend. These users are not exploiting any bug/hack in the SETI@home program. To our knowledge none of our users have ever cheated; to cheat would defeat the whole purpose of SETI@home - a purpose that this team rivalry tends to obscure sometimes... Most of the team members I talk to find the team rivalry aspect fun - particularly when we read posts on this site about you guys "crushing" us last weekend. That gave us a few laughs. ;-) Ultimately users will vote with their feet as to which team they want to support. All this talk of merging teams kind of defeats the object of having teams in the first place. Each team has it's own principles, themes, and beliefs. For example, our main interests are trying to score with alien babes, getting drunk, and hanging out on IRC. Your interests are supporting the AMD processor range. I think merging those principles would make for a pretty ugly team... ;-) MaXimaN/Team #Amiga! IP: Logged
Pieter Follower of Athlon	posted October 23, 1999 23:34 well if we would join we would battle other teams. And defeat them surely, is there some background on the #amiga team on your website? Amiga, sigh allot of years have passed yet important features of the Amiga are still not learned bij the PC oem industry (if u can call it that). Regards, Pieter [This message has been edited by Pieter (edited October 23, 1999).] IP: Logged
thewarbird Celeron Worshipper	posted October 23, 1999 23:53 One thing that might be interesting to try... the team founder can see the email addresses of all the team members... how about having the founder craft up a short and sweet email to remind non-active people about seti, inform them of the existance of the faster non-graphical versions (if it wasn't for the cmdline version i'd have been gone long ago)... Worth a shot, might drum up a couple dozen extra people that went inactive after seeing a WU taking 45 hours to complete that can now be done in 15... IP: Logged
MaXimaN Celeron Worshipper	posted October 24, 1999 12:09 There's a big misconception about our team: that we are big fans of the Amiga. The truth is the majority of our team members have an Amiga-related background, but none of us would really consider the Amiga as a viable platform today. I (and quite a few others on the team) got involved in the Amiga very early on in a demo group called LSD - a group I co-formed. But now we've all moved onto the PC and into serious professions. The "#Amiga!" in our team name simply comes from the IRC channel that we use to keep in touch - hence, we get labelled as Amiga addicts. I should point out that our team is not an exclusive club - it's open to anyone who wants to join. It's just that the name "Team Drunk SETI Enthusiasts" didn't have the same ring to it. ;-) As for our SETI team, we just decided to band together in the search for extraterrestrial babes. Nothing anywhere near as serious as trying to promote 3DNow - we're just in this for fun! MaXimaN/Team #Amiga! IP: Logged
IronWolve Celeron Worshipper	posted October 24, 1999 12:10 Im running it on my machines that are not Production servers. BUT I have desktops and a few private servers. Cheating? I think not. -IronWolve- IP: Logged
IronWolve Celeron Worshipper	posted October 24, 1999 12:15 Good Post Maxi! -IronWolve- Team #Amiga! IP: Logged
Pieter Follower of Athlon	posted October 24, 1999 01:28 didnt LSD do those diskmagazine's about the scene ? ------------------ Regards, Pieter :*) IP: Logged
MaXimaN Celeron Worshipper	posted October 24, 1999 01:37 Yes, we did Grapevine magazine (22 issues of that if I remember correctly), and quite a few demos including the well-known "Jesus On E's". MaXimaN/Team #Amiga! IP: Logged
MGallik Celeron Worshipper	posted October 24, 1999 02:15 I am a stats junkie. I desire to be a part of the Seti program, and am in it for the long haul. The problem you have here is the same one most all teams have. Most members are flash in the panners. My idea is to get all the hard core distributed computing maniacs together on one team. Anyone can simply join a top team and "Win", but we, along with as many others as will listen to reason, can build a team that not only can do well with Seti, but be a real power in the next great distro project. I am working towards that end, actively seeking people with similar interests, people such as you, to build that team. I am on a team now, and I ask that if your interest in Seti stats is as strong as ours that you would at least visit our forum and chit-chat, or Troll if you wish. I am a member of Team Anandtech. As you know, we arent much ahead, but we do continue to grow. 27 new members in the last month. If you look at our RC5 stats, you will also notice that we have one of the top teams. With fewer than 1600 members, we continue to climb in the standings. The reason is people like yourselves, most of the team is made up of hard core distributed computing, computer hobbyists. Once RC5 is cracked, most all the team should move to Seti. This has been gone over several times. After Seti, the whole show will move on to other projects, one big, bad, team of wacko's If you think it may be time for a move, or you just want to chat, stop on by and say hi. We're the same group of people, just spred out across too many sites. I was attracted to the Anandtech team by all the constant banter in the distributed computing forum. They never get tired of it over there. Never. ------------------ Exersize logic and common sense, Not desire and emotion. IP: Logged
Osiris Priest of Athlon	posted October 24, 1999 02:51 Team Amiga and 'cheating' perhaps I should have been a tad more clear. There are instances where teh seti stats code allows for cheating... and one could do this quite unintentionally. I have reported this to seti several times and several times they have reported it fixed, only for me to go off and prove it still isn't fixed (repeat this in a loop). My apologies to Team Amiga if no one is infact intentionally abusing the system. Steve IP: Logged
Akma Follower of Athlon	posted October 24, 1999 08:23 Has there been an extra leap day I didn't know of? Well, it's pretty obvious that Amiga is not "a viable platform" today, especially if seti and rc5 (2kkeys/s on a 14MHz 68020) are concerned, but if "trying to score with alien babes, getting drunk, and hanging out on IRC" is all what's left, I'm pretty happy to stay with Team 3DNow! At least I have a chance to win a t-shirt... We fight for 3DNow! We die for 3DNow! IP: Logged
MaXimaN Celeron Worshipper	posted October 24, 1999 08:37 It's sad that so far down the line so many fundamental bugs exist in the SETI clients. Bugs like bombing out completely while trying to connect to a server, for example. Maybe you should try mail bombing the SETI@home team, claiming "sorry, it's a bug in my mail problem - I'm trying to fix it, honest!" ;-) On another note, this topic seems to be rapidly turning into a recruitment drive for new members. We're not trying to hijack your message forum, I promise! :-) At least we can console ourselves with the fact that, unlike Team AnandTech, we're not posting poetic diatribes that sound like Bill Phillips MuscleMedia pep talks... ;-) MaXimaN/Team #Amiga! IP: Logged
MGallik Celeron Worshipper	posted October 24, 1999 13:42 Actually, It's not Team Anandtech, it's ME. Why do so many of us languish away on faultering teams? Many of us are fighting hard to keep our teams in the running while Art Bell goes Blah-Blah and another 5000 people join his team, never to proccess more than a few score WU's, yet push the carrot further from our grasp. Imagine a team with 500 or more members, each a long term enthusiast, with 600+ WU's and a desire to push harder still. Sounds nice doesnt it? We all want to be on that team. I want to be on that team, and if I must build it myself, I will, and I am. I want you, I want every hard cracking Seti guy on the Net on one team. There are tens of thousands of us scattered about on many hundreds of teams and each and every one of us wonders what we can do to increase our rates. Well, what can we do? How can we catch /. and Art Bell? The only real answer is to consolidate the power. We come from all corners of the Earth with every conceivable computer combination. But we all have one thing in common, we are hardware junkies and we are all fighting for the same master. Ourselves! You cant win a war with skirmishes, you need to build an army and battle. I want to fight! ------------------ Exersize logic and common sense, Not desire and emotion. [This message has been edited by MGallik (edited October 24, 1999).] IP: Logged
MaXimaN Celeron Worshipper	posted October 25, 1999 03:12 Your sincerity is truly moving... Oh, wait a minute, no it's not. That last message was just a cut and paste from your <url=http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=39&threadid=77274>message</url> on the Anandtech forum! <b>Doh!</b> And with one notable exception: <quote>Now away with you my minions, away and assimilate! Mwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahah</quote> Hmmmm.... :-) MaXimaN/Team #Amiga! IP: Logged
MaXimaN Celeron Worshipper	posted October 25, 1999 03:14 Whoa... no idea why that UBB code failed. Well, anyway - you get the picture... :-) MaXimaN/Team #Amiga! IP: Logged
Akma Follower of Athlon	posted October 25, 1999 07:30 Hmm, this thread is becoming more popular than all the Hi! threads together... And what comes to assimilation, we are all assimilated by 3DNow! PS. I've been watching too much telly, thus the dying bit. IP: Logged
MGallik Celeron Worshipper	posted October 25, 1999 20:39 Actually, the post at Anandtech was a cut and paste from here. What I said in that post really sums up my feelings and I posted it there as well. Once you say what you feel and get it right it neednt be redone. Havent you ever expressed a thought so perfectly you just knew you could never recapture it. It's rather simple to see it originated here. Look at the post time and date. You might also notice it fits perfectly with this thread, its sire. The change at the end was an adjustment to fit the site. Anyway, I wanted that thought to be passed on to any kindred soul who may happen by. I may repost it a few more times. ------------------ Exersize logic and common sense, Not desire and emotion. IP: Logged
MaXimaN Celeron Worshipper	posted October 26, 1999 06:14 If I ever get that serious about distributed computing - kill me! ;-) MaXimaN/Team #Amiga! IP: Logged
MGallik Celeron Worshipper	posted October 26, 1999 18:31 ------------------ Exersize logic and common sense, Not desire and emotion. IP: Logged
Jayden Follower of Athlon	posted October 27, 1999 02:08 I don't really care that I'm not on a "winning" team. I'm in it for the cause. I'm not about to switch for vanity's sake just so I can say "my team placed #1" Team 3DNow stands just as good a chance of finding ET. In the end finding ET is all that matters. It's not how many blocks you do, it's pure luck in getting the magical ET WU. No one will care what team came in first then, only who found it. IP: Logged
Imitation Follower of Athlon	posted October 28, 1999 06:54 Well I'm in it for the ET's out there and for 3dNow as well. That's what trhis is right... the proliferation of 3dNow. I'm in it for the cause. I'm doing my bit whenever I can and I'm sending the WU's in. Sure, I'm not in the top 100 but I'm there. And I am contributing. Btw - That email idea is great. Send out emails to all the users and remind them of what's here. IP: Logged
Clint Strickland Follower of Athlon	posted October 30, 1999 17:51 here! here! Thats the right attitude dudes! -clint IP: Logged
Akma Follower of Athlon	posted November 03, 1999 04:14 Anyone who doesn't know, there is a way other than 3dnow! to boost your seti output. The catch is that you should install Linux and run seti on it. On my machines Linux seti is about 1.5 times faster than the windows version. K6-III 400 16.5 hours K6-2 350 18 hours P200MMX 20 hours IP: Logged
Clint Strickland Follower of Athlon	posted November 03, 1999 09:25 yea, well thats nice. wish I was smart enough to run linux. I am tired of trashing my systems. hell, its all i can do to mnt a dos floppy! let alone install the client and get it to run. I seem to have the worst luck with the vga driver for X. not to mention un-(TAR)ing files!! What is down with that? Where to put the client and run it as a daemon???? I did manage to find the driver for my banshee, only to find out I did not know enough to get it installed. Half the books on linux are WRONG one way or the other. Sorry, not flaming you, but linux I want, but to date have been unable.@#%$%^@# IP: Logged
Akma Follower of Athlon	posted November 05, 1999 17:54 Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, but I couldn't access the site yesterday. The computer would just say 'unknown host www.3dnow.org ' If you don't want to repartition your drive, there's a filesystem called umsdos that let's you to run Linux from a DOS partition. I have tried it and it worked for me, though now I'm having a proper Linux partition. http://www.nbs.at/linux/howto/umsdos-howto/UMSDOS-HOWTO.html Copy the seti archive into a new directory and untar it by typing tar -xvf <filename>.tar on a command line. You can run the program manually by entering ./setiathome If you want to run it automatically you probably should modify your rc.d files and enter the above command line there. Anybody having any better knowledge? IP: Logged
Clint Strickland Follower of Athlon	posted November 05, 1999 18:08 I thank you for that, My linux library just arrived to day.. I think I have some {light?} reading to do! IP: Logged

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